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1. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 01:37 PM Wednesday 22 March, 2006

Mico, on the 20D. If you have a 17 to whatever mm wide angle zoom, as you have said, what do you mean by not being able to go very wide without breaking the bank? Do you mean you cannot go to say the 35mm format equivalent of a 20mm?--it seems you have a 25mm equivalent with your zoom? I would get the 12-24mm f4 Tokina or Pentax for the APS sized sensor when Pentax comes out with its semi-pro 10MP DSLR (if it is an APS sized DSLR). The Tokina would be attractive to me too for your Canon. It is $500.00, list. RSVP--Jay

Jay - I've just clicked the update button on your post. It seems to work fine. Try again...
Regards, Tony.


2. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 01:23 PM Wednesday 22 March, 2006

Kakaman, as part of the LX site maintainer team I can get into the administrator area, and can select "edit" and the message status, but, the menu options will not let me select "update". Can you correct this problem? I can delete, but not update editing corrections, as such. We need this feature reconnected.--Jay


3. From : Michael (mrworkwood@verizon.net)
Url : http://
Date : 01:03 PM Wednesday 22 March, 2006

Hello Kakaman & Globetrotter: I shot an additional bundle of photos this evening of my Pentax Special Version LX Gold #XM322. This batch was shot against a white backround and are of the body and attached lens. I shot with both my 3.2 MP Pentax Optio MX and I also shot some with a Pentax Optio S55 5.0 mp. All photos total (2 sessions)are 163 count and the folder is 266 MB in size. My question is, what is the best way to get these photos to the administrator? I could copy to CD and I would be more than happy to mail it (you can email me directly with your mailing address). I am more than a little inexperienced with the digital thing but I would assume that if I attempt to transmit them via the web that they would take forever to download on the other side or would have to be reduced in quality. So my intention would be to assure that they can be delivered at full MP quality. Please advise on the best way to transfer them. Much appreciated!!


4. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 01:02 PM Wednesday 22 March, 2006

On monitors: CRT vs. LCD. I have both, some 17", and some 19". One LCD, a UXGA, is 1600 X 1400, so it definitely is sharper and renders more detail; however, I have the same color hue and output accuracy problem Mico lists, even with its best results. I cannot get it to correlate more exactly with the Canon photo printers output than do the CRT monitors. So, I use two monitors simultaneously, one for color preview (CRT), and one for image sharpness and detail(this was once called definition too, as seen on the XUGA LCD). Also, I found that I can adjust viewable color contrast, brightness, hue, and saturation with the graphics card display ADVANCED features ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES selectable menus of its installed driver/menu package as entered THROUGH THE WINDOWS CONTROL PANEL DISPLAY SETTINGS PAGE and almost get the two renders the same.

Look at the contrast ratio of your LCD monitor. I believe it is quite high for the Sony, like 450 to 550 to one. Therefore, it comes with its own output adjustments: perhaps on the monitor, and/or of its own dedicated software; these are managed too by a color management profile set-up(which you apparently addressed), and so FURTHER too are tweaked through the windows or apple control panel(s)of your video graphics card display software advanced and additional properties output adjustments.

On a recent Sony LCD monitor there are ways to adjust output intensity because of the high brightness acccompanying its high available contrast ratio. To achieve computer VideoGraphics CARD video output color overlay saturation and hue on an LCD screen to simulate a CRT, then a considered application of other hardware path controls must be used over and above simply setting up an Adobe--or other--color management profile; as a CM Profile then becomes set as selected as a labeled profile placed in memory, there remain new expectations to be further addressed for LCDs(as such a profile is normally saved for the display settings advanced color management menu future selectable choices, other LCD-affecting hardware adjustments will become necessary {usually over and above the profiles set as such from, e.g. Adobe and Windows, CMP software offerings).

There is a color management profile memory feature on my and other graphics card software (under advanced features, found selectable under the Display "settings" tab in XP)and, additionally, there is an additional properties submenu selectable from the advanced menu which includes card overlay color and sizing output adjustments(selectable then as yet another sub-menu, under advanced on the Windows Control Panel Display menu, then found under the appearing additional properties menu under the videographics card brand properties ID tab as another to-be-clicked submenu. This is given for hardware path rendering controls, such as mipmapping, GL, and card color details outputs); its final videographics card adjustment properties output choices thereby present a menu tab for harware color OVERLAYS--of brightness, contrast, hue, and saturation. This final output tweak opportunity addresses the hardware image path as to its renders of images on the monitor.

Here, in addition to any by-memory established color management profile as earlier chosen, I can set its card output for best eye results--for either monitor type--or by either monitor type for quality for output image detail versus color accuracy. These saved as-programmed-in-memory color management named as labeled profiles--established by earlier adjustment steps--allow me to select between what is best by either of the monitors being used or for what I need to see of a completely examined image on either type used(either by monitor type for best results or by render attribute quality needed for their best in-service use, according to a selectable named color profile label I have assigned in the color management files profile menu for each of two image viewing qualities mentioned in the first paragraph here. If I need to see detail on each monitor, I choose a profile, if color, other profiles. I have such quality CP lables programmed in memory as actual for use profiles: first for the LCD I have, one for its contrast details, one for its best color accuracy; and so two other selectable profiles for the like for the CRTs). These means of seeing images offer extra viewing choices when images have certain light values in their different scenes.

The card output OVERLAY menu, affecting the hardware imaging path to the monitor, with its additional properties adjustments mentioned, is in the same ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES sub-menu selectable from the XP Control Panel display settings page ADVANCED feature. It grants greater tweaks to my graphics card rendering properties, which, once it is chosen, offer other properties tabs, showing menu pages for other video output tweaks, like GL and 3D settings (this menu interfaces with the control panel displays settings advanced feature and came as a proprietary menu feature installed with my brand of card).

It may be that you can do this additional tweaking of OVERLAY hardware imaging path monitor-affecting adjustments through your videographics card menu, or change cards and do these adjustments and/or even more (with newer or other brands of cards than mine from two years ago)? I love the sharp detail edge to edge of the XUGA LCD. I hate its greater lack of hues and vision into areas blocked by LCD monitor contrast values not found with the CRTs (which, though not Sony, most of mine have trinitron CRT tubes. Another one is from Princeton graphics, which I do not know what brand of tube it has, but is non-trinitron. That one gives the best hues, excellent details even in high contrast ranges, and grants the most accurate color, FYI).

So, to date, no matter how you do color management profiles, each monitor and monitor type has its own fine-tuning needs according to the viewed image being worked on. Each offers its own strengths and weaknesses and can be tackled with ways to address additional means for actual image on-monitor uses. I hope what I have written is understandable and helpful to my friend, Mico.--Jay


5. From : Philip Ashman (genesisphil@hotmail.com)
Url : http://
Date : 12:38 AM Wednesday 22 March, 2006

Thanks for that website about sensor cleaning equipment Mico, I'll check it out.
Meanwhile I found your comments regarding a change from a CRT monitor to an LCD monitor most interesting.
I note that you calibrate your monitor properly, which is wise, but for me a little 'technically daunting'. I am though surprised that you find the LCD monitor sharper with better contrast than your CRT, although are now experiencing problems with digital noise and B & W appearing 'sepia' ish.

For myself, and borne out by many others, especially in the viewing media environment, CRT is still far superior in image quality than even the latest LCD equipment, both in Computer imaging and TV/film viewing. It's not that it may never catch up, as indeed digital photography is slowly making inroads into the quality of film, but that it is still a long way off. Indeed, due to the fact that any digital (LCD)image is only a collection of pixels, then many believe that it can never match film (or CRT for monitor/TV) standard/quality. Perhaps this is because you will never really be able to compare them like for like.
I myself still watch TV/films on my excellent image producing 21 inch CRT TV and have no plans to move to LCD, Plasma, etc.. for as long as I get the quality I get now and CRT can still be bought.
I also, as it happens (as I use a laptop, which of course are all LCD) have always found B & W to be particularly difficult to work with, but also find I can never quite reproduce the sharpness/contrast from my colour film slides especially on LCD, no matter what digital imaging software I use. It just always seems to lack that clarity you get on a CRT screen, from my experience.

Philip


6. From : Mico (micoLX@netscape.net)
Url : http://
Date : 11:27 PM Tuesday 21 March, 2006

Sorry, I did a mistake, my old monitor is CRT, tube monitor, not TFT which is just the other name for LCD. M.


7. From : Mico (micolx@netscape.net)
Url : http://
Date : 01:26 PM Tuesday 21 March, 2006

Phill, regarding dust, I clean my 20D once a week (...) with Visible Dust kit. Go to www.visibledust.com. It seems to be too often, but that is how fast my sensor gets dirty. And, it works beautifully.
Jay, I think that 20D is fine until you do not want to print over 11X14 inch. It is also fine if you can live with the small finder (which I hate the most). And because of the APS-C size sensor you can not go very wide without compromises or breaking your bank. Compared to any other camera in that range, 20D is simply superior.
Even Nikon can not get so low regarding noise levels. So, my next step will probably be 5D(ah,1Ds MKII).
I have one question for all: recently, I switched to 17 inch LCD monitor, 600$ Sony. My old one is 17inch TFT Sony. I calibrated both of them with the same Color Vision "Spyder 2" and here is my problem: I find LCD Sony sharper, with higher contrast and overall image quality is excellent. But ,image is more difficult to work with in Photoshop, digital noise from DSLR is quite pronounced and harsh, low levels of CA are very hard to detect and B&W images are a bit strange...like there was some mild sepia effect applied (LCD display flaw ?) Again, monitor was calibrated with the state of the art equipment, designed for both TFT and LCD displays. I would appreciate any opinion on that. M.



8. From : GLOBETROTTER (globetrotterworld@hotmail.com)
Url : http://www.globalphoto.co.uk
Date : 06:24 AM Tuesday 21 March, 2006

Yes, I know about the high-res 645 format and 6X7 format digtial backs etc, but, as you mention, the price is way too high. I was talking more about the smaller DSLR format. I was using the Canon 20D last year, and liked it very much, but images taken on the same expedition using the F80 and F5 were superior.

I think the new Pentax 645D will be a great camera (the 654 & 645n are superb) and hopefully will be a better build quality than the plastic 'cheapo' build quality of the Mamiya ZD 22MP body.


9. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 05:37 AM Tuesday 21 March, 2006

25MP and up exists today, Tony (in 6X4.5 CM format). The primary difficulty is extremely high cost. It will be four to five years before a miniature format Sensor reaches such levels as 25MP, and, then it will be in the four to five thousand dollar range. Eight MP and up in small format use is useful. I will be pleased with a 10MP body that takes my PK M,A, & F lens system.

Mico, how useful do you find 8MP for a working photorapher? My now older 6X4.5 14+MP digital back has proven extremely useful, but I still use transparencies for 35mm small format. I expect, with the contrast range and color improvements, the 10MP body will suffice for 95% of on demand imaging. RSVP Mico. --Jay PS Thank you for the email on the limits and usefulness of the Canon 20D (now replaced by the new 30D). Canon still does 30% more business than other manufacturers, I suppose because they stay ahead.


10. From : GLOBETROTTER (globetrotterworld@hotmail.com)
Url : http://www.wilderness-photo.co.uk
Date : 05:05 AM Tuesday 21 March, 2006

I also hate lenses without aperture rings on the lens barrel. This is why I do not own any of the Nikkor 'G' lenses, and much prefer the superb Ais lenses, not only for my Nikon F5, but also for use on My XL pro camcorders. It is also the reason why I prefer the older Pentax K/M/A lenses, especially the superb A* range.

Regarding the problem with dust on sensors - it is a REAL problem with digital cameras, and I've found it a big headache sometimes when I use cameras such as the Nikon D70. It is quite easy to lock the mirror out of the way and blow or brush dust off the censor, but most of the time I do not notice until the image is blown to large size when working in Adobe Photoshop CS2. It is a lot more difficult to spend hours with a Clone tool trying to clean up lumps of dust in a clear sky scene, rather than simply scanning a dusty or marked transparency and letting the digital ice clean it up automatically…so I remain a lover of the colour transparency…and there is nothing quite like looking at a beautiful image under a 10X loupe on a large Light Table.

Yes, I'm looking forward to see what Pentax does over the next 12-months, but I'm still waiting for a 25MP DSLR at a decent price. In the meantime, I am quite happy with images taken with the Nikon F5 or Pentax LX - and sales of digital images scanned from my film images have never been better!

By the way…I’ve just edited out HUNDREDS of scam messages from this board today. I think people that run these sad schemes are sick in the head! Let’s work together to keep this wonderful website free of scammers, viruses…and mad hatters…


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