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Industry wide indications and ceasing film body development by Pentax altogether in early 2003 more than suggest the manual focus Pentax LX will not be having an upgrade (except, perhaps for very rare Limited Edition Models hand assembled by special commission by the new HoyaPentax Corporation). In 2008 Pentax became a division of Hoya Corporation, which had together with Pentax released jointly developed professional grade optics (since 2005); Pentax has shifted its attention to development of auto focus Digital SLRs having build qualities constructed for the long run--now with weather seals--like the LX. You may use this site for common support and sharing of mutual users knowledge or experiences among yourselves. You may also use this message board as a guestbook for the advanced users Pentax SLR cameras from the LX forward, including many such auto focus film cameras, and Pentax digital SLR cameras. We keep the site going too for the WORD SEARCH FEATURE found here as to its magnificent K mount system user archives: as have been shared here for many years. Have an inquiry related to Pentax gear? First try KEYING IN YOUR KEY WORD(S) for a preexisting archived response on your subject of inquiry from this LX site. If your inquiry or sharing is from advanced users K10D, K20D, or K200D SLR needs, proceed on to t NEW PENTAX ADVANCED USERS K10D, K20D SLR site.

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1. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://GISScience.com
Date : 07:57 PM Monday 21 January, 2008

For a photo of the Samsung GX20 DSLR back (14.6MP, live view sensor, etc.) go to http://bp3.blogger.com/_BF8IaH7_yqY/R4p-Rvc52pI/AAAAAAAABZQ/UEAtMBQChxY/s1600-h/samsunggx20-back.jpg. As Pentax has not yet released photos, I am thinking this will emulate its new DSLR's back (identical to the GX10, excepting a slightly larger LCD screen, unless Pentax comes up with a totally new body, doubtful). Find the information being released in No. Europe. --Jay PS Welcome Pentax to Professional Digital Photography!


2. From : test (test@mir.com.my)
Url : http://
Date : 04:04 PM Saturday 19 January, 2008

UPDATE: Check the page and Message Board, amended but you need to do add ons.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/Pentax-DSLRs/index.htm
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/messageboard/PentaxDSLRmsg/index.php


3. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 03:38 PM Friday 18 January, 2008

Watch PMA 2008, on my birthday, Jan 24th.
The advanced K-DSLR camera I began to describe in December will spring forth and usher in the official merger year of HoyaPentax (Hoya desiring the Canon, Nikon lead to become a three legged stool. This is with Pentax officially becoming a Hoya division after the end of March). New Global Marketing strategies and a devaluing dollar will embrace the challenges of the other two legs for a self-styled positioning of this more streamlined new optical-electronics giant. Both have diversified holdings and financial alliance futures within and outside of Japan. Helping this development climate for the merger, preexisting for both past company names, are cutting edge electronics components development contract stipulations which worked positively for both Pentax and Hoya to mutually link separate electronics components competitor development advantages through the scheduled merger's partners' prior-developed business arrangements).

A 14+MP sensor with live view, image edge sharpness and contrast with detail not seen on prior Pentax DSLRs, emerging computer Operating Systems color depth sensitive software schemas are embraced to be in concert with the release of the next flagship body--otherwise, pretty much as prior described here. Some features like the new Oly Pro (improved shake reduction, dust reduction), but with the larger HoyaPentax alliance imaging sensor will soon find their way into my kit. Look for the expected lens announcements too, but with none of this stuff to be available for consumers until after the scheduled merger.

It is doubtful that this will be a full-frame sensor, so let's see what the best of the APS sized sensor technology can offer, as to what we have long desired. Doubtful too is a retrofit Kaf mount, as prescribed on this LX site for Pentax to get ahead of the market in my recent essay here: with both full electronic interconnections and full mechanical aperture interconnections. This would rivet all Pentax glass owners around the globe as to an instant motivation to have such a unit. Instead, looking to forward lens developments, it would not make a corporate environment synergy sense; but, in what likely will be a climate of world-wide recession and resulting marketing challenges (to get people to spring for expensive new imaging technology), nothing would make more sense for the new HoyaPentax venture.

The international banking and investment economy is now fully enmeshed and integrated. The US wars deficit expenses and the USA housing loan fiasco have been largely a costly US Security and home futures investment--borne pretty much of business as usual America. Even OPEC, built on US consumption and high dollar values after the booms of the former century, is officially negotiating a drop the dollar position among its membership for its future barrel price structure. This can mean even greater changes and marketing challenges regarding imaging, camera, and optical futures. HoyaPentax could lead the pack with a retrofit Kaf body mount, to get the DSLR market share it needs quickly....alas, 99% CERTAIN, this will not be in this product race heat. --Jay


4. From : Jwoods (centrutywoods@noSPAM.com)
Url : http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/messageboard/DigitalSLRs/index.php
Date : 12:46 PM Tuesday 08 January, 2008

Dear Jay, on second thought, I have reprinted for other enthusiast's reflection your post at the DSLR MB at:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/messageboard/DigitalSLRs/index.php
I find your post interesting. IF you have objection, you can log in to the Board to remove it.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/messageboard/DigitalSLRs/index.php


5. From : Jwoods (centrutywoods@noSPAM.com)
Url : http://
Date : 11:53 AM Tuesday 08 January, 2008

Dear Jay. It is an inspiring thought... Many people have placed the emphasis on the sensor's pixel quantity product war. I guess no one is complaining on these numbers alone. However, there are also related weak areas of image capture and seemingly we consumers are like a scapegoat for marketing pixel numbers and other marketing ploys. An Entry PRICE into these numbers is a joke to me. You can witness the evolution from the USD12,000 2 mega pixels Kodak first DSLRs to the current 22Mpixels Canon full frame body. Thank you, and I think I can still wait out the IQ technology shake down.

Lastly, is it a joke that Pro DSLRs still can't offer ISO50 ?? The 2004 8Mpixel portable Canon Pro1 offers that with a RAW mode (thanks to MIR enterpriser Leo F. who provided me a lead to that camera). I got one for my casual photography - a used unit and a bargain. And I can be patient until I find my $$$ investment gets a bargain. Most of us are not pros, we can wait for the technology shakedown and used gear, right ?


6. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 07:51 AM Monday 07 January, 2008

The raising of the bar. There is no question that the new full 35mm frame top of the line DSLR Nikon and Canon entries raise the bar of options, features, and imaging expectations for professional users. Outdoor Photography Magazine has also, in some recent writing there, clarified that 10MP and upward DSLR cameras are in many ways better than film cameras for image capture, uses, processing, and true fidelity. The sole surviving advantage of film emulsions remains being of the transparency glow and color range capacity of these finest grain films--which time will tell if these new bar raisers can take on. Although, with the advent of HD, some movie making enterprises have converted to totally digital originations, most continue to produce on film stock for location shooting (with plenty of interrelated digitized on set imaging processes occurring while shooting and viewing results). Special effects have gone totally digitally based.

Present early indicators are that the raised bar still DSLR top two do and will take on present film advantage realities, and offer some greater advantages for the working shooter. Reviews of the D3 Nikon state that the highest ISO ranges, never prior offered on DSLRs, are usable and relatively noise free in all shooting modes. Hence, the Nikon does not come with an onboard popup flash unit. The burst rate is 9 FPS. Canon and Nikon colors schemes and resulting color depth are applauded.

Sensor and in camera processor combinations offer fresh advantages, with higher burst speeds, and almost no noise, as mentioned. Nikon has chosen a 12MP sensor of its own design, Canon a 22MP. In the past the standard was that when a 20MP DSLR camera is offered, good bye to film, for even the finest grain applications. Here, with the new bar as raised, the image quality differences are not yet apparent, but soon will be; as the Nikon sensor offers larger pixel receptors, hence, larger light value reception across a given scene zone dynamic range accompanies its 12MP sensor choice. As has been discovered with point and shoot digital cameras, the small sensor sizes increasing available megapixel counts do not necessarily grant increased image quality (IQ); in fact, because of light capture color issues, some MP increase can lessen image quality over lesser sensor MP counts with their design-related smaller pixels being necessarily conformed to a smaller sensor pixel size used for lesser light on the individual sensor pixel capture. The key to digital imagery then is how the camera's digital imaging system deals with scenic light and color challenges, while rendering smoothness, sharpness, contrast, color, and detail. New basic digital image file encoding and decoding compression formats will now emerge as important to these challenges, including those now recently developed from Microsoft and Apple.

Naturally, LX users are primarily interested in their own positive experience of camera,film, and support system ergonomics and resulting image quality. This has something to do with the then evolving dialogue which one can read on this site from the past over the tradeoffs which emerged as the DSLR came into its own. in 2004 and 2005 the great majority of post processing for prints and image duplicates was accomplished by that industry for film users, which shifted in 2006 to a large digitally based imagery processing majority. The obvious reason was that the IQ of sensors and in-camera image processors had finally reached acceptable quality for most users. Who can dispute the fast ability to change color, tone, and exposure values post shooting? Large prints no longer had visible noise and artifacts. The variables digital imaging coming into its own added to the photographers' pallet are legion and wonderful.

The light sensitivity of the LX meter continues to be a user advantage, as well as its coupling with all past K, M, A, F, and FA (non FAJ) optics. This means full interactivity with all optics listed, except for autofocusing, which some do not like anyway. Film quality development increased over time to increasingly offer many advantages to the 35mm format over some traditionally larger format applications. The lens arsenal and small systems components available being the most appreciated difference, with increasing image quality, along with user on location applications of full camera systems. But DSLRs and digital bridge cameras had by 2006 increased location use advantages for digital image originations as well.

The color range availability of fine grain transparency film is a landscape photography advantage over most DSLR camera systems at least for now (depending on final use of the image, the new test results and comparisons of these top of the line cameras mentioned from Nikon and Canon not withstanding). Coupled with a latest Nikon or KM film scanner there remain applications of these 35mm film small camera system components film image size advantages for creating up to a 200MB 16 bit color depth created file. This currently holds, depending too on final image uses and applications. Publishers past demand for a 50MB original file is now moot over many other imaging applications realities.

Computers CPU processors for image file use advancing to quad core file handling speeds (FYI Intel has created an 80 core processor model, without the heat and insulation problems associated with silicone processors, and AMD a 16 core model with an other than silicone heat insulator)--even in the present core processor 64 bit very limited software versions--will change how we view color depth and capture in the next few years. There is great potential for 64 bit machines moving to deal with the fantastically complex encoding and decoding image file manipulation challenges for all file information for imagery which emerges from digitally achieved greater scenic color depth than 16 bit depth for image file post processing. Currently imaging software is limited by its at the most being available for 32 bit computers and 16 to 24 bit color depth processing.

Still, the present trade offs between detail, color, and sharpness--in image origination and file processing between the camera's chromanance and luminance image bearing digital image adjustments--will be enlarged as greater camera image and computer processor core bit image file addressing software is made available. Although we currently may dislike how much of such software is unavailable for the latest Maces, and for Windows Vista, these too have raised the bar for what will become achievable through digital imaging post processing as color depth image file schemas become more complex and improved. I cannot tell you for me how often Photoshop CS's image adjustment features, such as the curves adjustments, have introduced acceptable tonal outcomes in what might have been otherwise flat artifical light renders via original digital photography (and saved the day's results). I do not yet know how bright and beautiful these two new professional so-called full frame DSLRs images will be, but, I suspect, very much so.

The Pentax K10D has won many deserved awards, and now seems to be emerging like the proven Pentax 6MP DSLRs, usable only for less than professional outcomes: as may be required for the most pressing professional on-time applications since the introductions of the newer full frame bodies from the top two manufacturers. It seems that even Globetrotter will be keen to use the D3 for its shooting speed and image quality--as is achievable without flash. It should breathe new life into his lens kits, and long built-up for field use nature applications camera system choices. Mico too must be anticipating a long life with Canon as it offers continuing professional systems upgrades.

For those of us who do not require the fastest burst rates and an array of long focal lengths for sport and field uses at great expense, we anticipate the new Pentaxes with their appreciated build quality, and proven handling quality establishments for the long run. The first Pentax DSLRs are mostly still being used as fully functioning. I wonder too if Pentax DSLR developers might not take a practical and marketing look at reintegrating the full primary KAF mechanical linkages into its new DSLR releases, in order for the millions of optics past made and owned to be enthusiastically incorporated into whatever offerings they will grant the advanced user from its systems, past, present, and future? How to leap ahead or up to the raised bar for professionals and advanced users alike certainly might consider such a lens mount re-integration into at least one newer Pentax DSLR camera body offering. Reviewers of the new Nikon and Canon full frame DSLRs often mention the large numbers of present and past optics both manufacturers have offered. In this regard even Sony/Minolta is no slouch. Regarding my recent lens summary DSLR AF body application writing on this site, a speed advantage could be gained for the uses of all K mount forward uses, as well as an extremely large preexisting advanced user lens asenal, if Pentax DSLR designers consider the practical advantages they could offer through a KAf lens mount reintroduction.
--Jay


7. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 05:40 AM Sunday 30 December, 2007

Paula, Your Pentax DSLR manual will discuss how to use this lens on your camera body. Go to http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature/show_manual
to download your manual for free, read that section, and apply its directions.

--Jay

Note:- Thanks JAY for the lead, the link has been placed at the main index page of Pentax LX.


8. From : Paula Symonds (yarlets.norfolk@virgin.net)
Url : http://
Date : 04:26 AM Sunday 16 December, 2007

I have a pentax istDL DIGITAL CAMERA WORKS FINE WITH LENS SUPPLIED
brought a second hand pentax 35mm prime lens k mount of ebay lens wont work camera what am i doing wrong do I have to alter any settings in my camera please
new to this digital photgraphy and still learning
Paula


9. From : Jay (ibcom@onebox.com)
Url : http://
Date : 04:19 PM Friday 07 December, 2007

In January/February Pentax will announce new DSLRs, with the CCD stepping off the platform for a live view CMOS and other features for the top of the line body. It is believed by some trend analysts that the 12MP DSLR will now be skipped to jump ahead of the pack with the top body, and the K100D will be replaced with the 10MP CCD sensor body with a price advantage. Recent Tokina lens releases not seen yet for Pentax will also be out early next year as Pentax optics. Burst rates and remote capabilites will also be upgraded. The K 10D image softness factor found in RAW (easily tweaked in JPEG menus)--now requiring considerable post processing to be as defined in imaging as are those of most DSLR competitors--will not haunt the new line. Watch for increased ergonomics, and a considerable professional outlook. Pentax has already established that it is the King of water resistance, and with excellent anti-shake, and anti-dust capabilities on the DSLRs. The K10D offers antishake in both planes (who else does?).

Yet, if you are dissatisfied with the images of the K10D--where most users are satisfied--you have about a month or two to recapture most of your investment selling via ebay etc. --Jay


10. From : Thanks (qq@thesite.com)
Url : http://
Date : 09:44 PM Thursday 15 November, 2007

Cool ... this explanation is useful. This has been in my mind for a while and couldn't get a proper answer on the transitional change between film and digital, may be in time to come when I switch to Penatx D, this is a useful guide. Thanks for the input, Jay.


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